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March 5, 2020 6:40am ET

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You think CoVid is going to affect international students acceptance at all? Since schools cancelled all nonessential international travel for current students, is there chance US schools are inclined not to take students from affected areas since there might be issues with entering the country from those regions? Who knows how many countries will have it within next 2-3 months as the infection rate does not seem to slow down? I can see Trump(state department) banning any entry for non-us citizens from affected regions and it might make sense not to take chance on foreign students as they might not be able to enter the country? How would that affect already accepted students r2-r1? Like School cannot so anything if state Department bans all the travel and at this rate I might see this happening since he infection is spreading like fire

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anon28974 Likes Earned: 32 I've been thinking about this too. Also saw this: https://poetsandquants.com/2020/03/04/coronavirus-scare-for-dartmouth-after-students-attend-event-with-infected-patient/?pq-category=business-school-news (0)

anon26138 Likes Earned: 25 interesting (1)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 potentially might affect r1 next year too (1)

anon24545 Likes Earned: 45 Think like this - at the risk of slightly inflated potential class size schools admit greater number of international applicants so, incase some of them can't join due to contracting the disease the international student proportion of class doesn't get affected too much. Imp from rankings point of view. If there is a blanket state ban all schools equally affected. So the gist is, it's a bad move to select fewer international applicants. (2)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 Excellent point above. I thought the same thing, but was not sure due to my bias since I am an international awaiting a decision. Fingers crossed for me on 3-12 (1)

anon28974 Likes Earned: 32 I think it's more likely that the schools would fill the class with more US based candidates, whether they are international or American. So if this is the case, candidates waitlisted before may have more chance of getting off the waitlist now. (2)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 Tuck cancels all classes due to possibly infected student (1)

anon63789 Likes Earned: 6 I think they are going to prioritize US candidates with international passports. That way their international % will not drastically change. (1)

anon24545 Likes Earned: 45 If I were a US-based international applicant, I'd most certainly take a month's break before starting b-school to go visit my family in my home country. Plus, staying in the US I could still get infected and thus under some assumptions unable to matriculate into the program. On the other hand, an international candidate based outside the US could be in the best of health. The school/state/relevant authorities can have them go through a 14-day (incubation period of COVID-19) self-quarantine. With that being said, I do not see a lot of tangible differences between US-based and non-US-based international applicants. (1)

anon63789 Likes Earned: 6 I think the issue is more with the travel restrictions. e.g The US is denying entry of any individual that visited china or chinese citizen that is not an American citizen. We really don't know how long these restrictions will last. That's why a International US based candidates is in a better spot. (1)

anon28974 Likes Earned: 32 Agreed and at this point, it's probably individuals not just who have visited China, but other high infected countries like South Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, Iran... And another issue could be higher chance of being denied a student visa by the US embassy if the applicant is applying from their home country. (1)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 If I was an international student I would submit deposit and try to get a visa ASAP (3)

anon37527 Likes Earned: 3 For international students I don’t think being currently in US will make a difference. Many will still have to return to their home country to renew the visa, facing the same travel restrictions. I doubt whether there will be any influence...the whole thing will prob end before aug (1)

anon25899 Likes Earned: 7 if you are currently on H1B, you can request for a status change without returning back to your home country but it would take longer. The purpose of VISA is for entering the US. I would recommend you talking to an attorney. (1)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 I think it is going to get way worse before it gets better. Even though China was able to contain it, I think it was due to “big brother” grip that most other countries don’t have. Once this virus hits undeveloped countries in Africa and South America, it is going to be very hard to contain it and it might do a lot of damage. From what I understand viral infection are hard to cure given (aka HIV, herpes, hepatitis are pretty much incurable). It would make sense for US to shut borders to countries that have high rates of infection and I can see state department banning entry for non-us citizens. My analysis, but I am not expert. (2)

anon15216 Likes Earned: 11 If you think about it from the school's perspective, international students usually make up 30-40% of the total student population. That could mean anywhere from 100 to 300 students per school. That's not a huge number, the schools could easily just request students to screen for corona virus before travelling in July/August, so there could be minimal disruption for the current international students waiting for acceptance. (5)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 It it not up to schools, concern is us state Department does not issue students visas to folks in South Korea, Italy, etc so schools will not have a say. For example, I don’t think it was a coincidence that all schools canceled the spring break trips at the same time. State Department probably issues such guidelines and the schools had to obey. (3)

anon84535 Likes Earned: 87 I agree with 2 Stars. It's probably a combination of both with the spring break trips. The state department publishes "danger levels" and it's very easy to believe that the schools have internal policies that state they'll cancel a trip if the country reaches "level 2" or what have you. With the virus situation as rapidly spreading as it is, it makes sense for them to cancel them all once just one of the destination cities reaching the danger level, for safety reasons and because it's just easier logistically not to have to monitor and make so many individual decisions. (2)

anon19776 Likes Earned: 29 This is very interesting. Do you think it will affect the UK schools if applying from the US? I am hoping to get into LBS. (2)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 So I think Europe/EU is a safer bet given the political climate in the U.S. Given the current administration, I have seen how several countries have been randomly placed on travel ban list( namely Nigeria). Considering the fact that trump is running for re-election, I can see him taking a nationalist approach to satisfy his base of support and ban visas to several infected countries to Keep America Grrat. I am from Kazakhstan and I am sacred one day he wakes up and bans entry for my country. (1)

anon33391 Likes Earned: 15 I think that would be pretty asinine though. If you listened the Daily the other day, they were talking about a potential outbreak in King County Washington reaching potentially 1000s of people. They can't not take people from Seattle area. (0)

anon16004 Likes Earned: 50 why cant they take ppl from Seattle area? do they need visa to go to other states? LOL (1)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 I don’t get comparisons. There is a difference between going from a state to a state versus coming to the US from a different country (1)

anon57607 Likes Earned: 57 I think anon16004 is pointing out that most of these comments are missing the main gist: what's at issue is the US government's decision to ban foreign nationals from entering the country, not schools' decisions to allow international students to join their communities. (2)

eliot Verified User. Likes Earned: 1899

Here is a New York Times article about the Dartmouth Tuck case:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/us/coronavirus-new-hampshire-dartmouth.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=432356370&imp_id=253975537

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eliot Verified User. Likes Earned: 1899

Here is another New York Times article about how some US universities are beginning to close campus as a precaution

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/us/coronavirus-college-campus-closings.html

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anon33391 Likes Earned: 15 I just think we're way past the idea of containing this thing and so international travel bans seems pointless unless you are going to quarantine domestic hot spots as well, like Seattle. Which, of course, they wouldn't ever do. I mean sure, Trump's administration might issue travel bans and deny student visas because it is Trump but I think it will accomplish nothing. Here in Seattle, we know the US's official number is bullsh*t. I have a friend who has a fever and a cough, got their flu shot months ago, and they won't test her for Corona. She is self-quarantining, but it's been a joke of a response. It is nearly impossible to get tested unless you're hospitalized with your symptoms. Over 500 domestic flights a day at SeaTac, and a large majority of people with CoVoid 19 are presenting as asymptomatic initially. I really don't think there is a chance in hell of containing this. (2)

anon16004 Likes Earned: 50 Actually its not about getting your student visas denied. What do you do when the US embassy in your country remains closed with staff evacuated? it's just like GRE/GMAT/TOEFL tests became unavailable in China due to the outbreak. ETS/GMAC is not banning anyone from taking the tests but what do you do if you are a Chinese applicant living in China and having to take the test? so I do believe there would be an impact on international applicants who are not currently in the US. Unless Bschools suddenly become flexible with their defer policy (1)

anon21454 Likes Earned: 24 Unfortunately, China did a pretty horrendous job of containing this and concealed pertinent information to the rest of the world. With that being said, it seems like the US has dealt with the situation appropriately given the circumstances. Also, it’s not just this administration acting now, it seems a lot of business and universities are being proactive and limiting international travel as well. However, at the end of the day, it doesn’t appear this is the apocalyptic virus that much of the media has hyped it up to be. Hopefully, it stays that way and the restrictions ease up over the next month or so. (0)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 I think Coronavirus and what administration did to stop one of the worst threats on lives of Americans is going to be the most important issues in 2020 elections. Regardless what is the standing situation is, letting in millions of international students might not be the smartest thing a president can do. In a way it further justifies his existing closed border policies. Another issues is I think, I might be wrong. I don’t think it is the best time to be an international student in the US from China. Similar to post 9-11 period where there was harassment against middle easterners, i can see a hostile environment for some internationals. (1)

anon42198 Likes Earned: 8 HBS had an interviewee reception that they canceled in response to COVID-19. Best of luck to the R2 applicants and those traveling to interviews. Stay safe + wash your hands. (1)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 Apparently state starred issuing guidances on level-4 travel advisory visa issues (0)

anon83618 Likes Earned: 27 Eekk. Hindsight 20-20, lots of white collar corporate offices are now closing all across America and infections are spreading. Seems like the worst case scenario is here and nobody is ready... (1)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 I can see Donald doing something drastic like banning all non-citizen entry to the US. He needs to a PR stunt for his re-election. I am worried about getting H1B. I wish I applied to UK schools/INSEAD . Even if I get accepted, there is a chance I am not able to enter the states to pursue my education. (2)

anon83618 Likes Earned: 27 Agree. At times in my life I saw the ivies and several other US universities and they gathered so much global network, research, and endowment that nothing can slow them down. Who knew. Another Trump election might just do the impossible. (0)

anon34460 Likes Earned: 13 Meh, I don't think this will affect admissions at all. (4)

anon16200 Likes Earned: 134 https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/trump-insists-administration-has-perfectly-coordinated-plan-to-fight-the-coronavirus/ (0)

alexbr4 Verified User. Likes Earned: 1676 Graham and I duscuss some of the issues related to coronavirus at the beginning of this episode of Wire Taps: https://www.clearadmit.com/2020/03/episode-88-wire-taps/ (0)

anon22555 Likes Earned: 6 US Consulates and missions in India just canceled all visa interviews after March 16 until further notice in the wake of COVID-19. (1)

anon22555 Likes Earned: 6 Good luck everyone! Stay safe! I hope to meet some of you at a US Bschool this Fall. (Fingers crossed) (1)

anon22555 Likes Earned: 6 (0)

anon41492 Likes Earned: 3 US is suspending all immigration now. What do you think this means for internationals? (0)

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